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Monday, February 7, 2011

Separation of Church and State.. I DON'T THINK SO!!!


http://nationaldayofprayer.org/firstamendment/

Anti-religion suit is based on a myth…

What ‘separation of church and state’?

February 02, 2011 9:32 AM
Article by Wayne Laugesen, Colorado Springs Gazette
The man who invented the phrase “separation of church and state” must be turning in his grave.
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation, a group that opposes the free exercise of religion in government, is suing U.S. Air Force Academy .. Superintendent Lt. Gen. Michael Gould in an effort to forcefully censor an evangelical Christian from speaking at the National Prayer Luncheon — a private event scheduled for Feb. 10 at the academy. To establish grounds, the organization has included faculty members.
David Lane, the go-to Colorado lawyer for trying a case in the media, had this to say about the upcoming speech by decorated war veteran and retired Marine Clebe McClary:
“It’s a clear violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution, which mandates the separation of church and state,” Lane said. That’s a whopper of legal fiction, and Lane must know better. The First Amendment does not mandate “the separation of church and state,” which is never mentioned in the Constitution. The First Amendment restricts government from making laws that respect the establishment of religion or interfere with the free exercise of it.
The mythical belief that the First Amendment sanitizes government of religion results from abuse of a political letter written by President Thomas Jefferson to a committee of the Danbury Baptist Association on Jan. 1, 1802, thanking members for their support. In the letter, Jefferson explains that he is praying for the committee, asking for its members “the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man…” It quotes the First Amendment and then says “thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.” Baptists had pushed for the First Amendment in order to strengthen their freedom from the Church of England and any future efforts by government to establish one religion and forbid the free exercise of others. The “wall” analogy was not written into law and the eloquent letter makes clear that Jefferson wanted a barrier to laws that would establish religion. Was his intent also to protect government from the words of religious speakers, the likes of McClary? It could not possibly have been his intent, unless he ranks among the most hypocritical and dishonest figures in American history — which he does not.
Two days after Jefferson wrote the Danbury letter, he attended a Baptist worship service in the House of Representatives. The lectern of the Speaker of the House was used as a preacher’s pulpit on Sundays. Jefferson continued attending the service routinely, occupying a reserved seat. Throughout his presidency, Jefferson hosted church services in buildings of the executive branch of government. The Supreme Court also housed worship services. The federal Treasury Building hosted a four-hour Presbyterian communion service. Tolerance was held in high regard; establishment laws were forbidden, kept outside of the metaphorical wall.
President James Madison, Jefferson’s successor, also attended regular church services in the House of Representatives. Madison knew exactly the meaning of the First Amendment, as he’s the man who pushed for it at the urging of mostly-Baptist constituents who wanted freedom of religion secured, and freedom from only those laws that would enact a federal religion. Madison introduced the First Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights to the First United States Congress in 1789. Madison and Jefferson were relentless in guarding against establishment, by law, of a national religion. They obviously had no intention of preventing the free exercise of religion in government institutions, as they participated in it. Most of the services were led by Christian clergy of various denominations. The Library of Congress has analyzed and preserved dozens of exhibits, including the Danbury letter and a draft of it, that leave no room to believe our country’s founders wanted government institutions cleansed of religion.
The Air Force Academy has a legal obligation to protect the free exercise of religion for students, faculty, employees and other Americans. It cannot do that while forbidding the free exercise of religion. It cannot, by law, rescind a speaking invitation for the purpose of silencing a man with a religious message some consider grotesque.
The First Amendment was written and ratified to protect religious speech, in government and in private. Part of protecting free exercise involves forbidding government from enacting laws that favor one religion over others. Inviting a controversial religious man to speak is a far cry from passing a law, and those who conflate ideas with laws are either confused or dishonest. Asking the courts to censor a speech makes mockery of the First Amendment, which protects free speech and the free exercise of religion. Mr. Lane, “separation of church and state” is not in the First Amendment. The federal judiciary should dispense with your client’s case.
Reference full article and comments here: http://www.gazette.com/articles/anti-112168-suit-based.html

2 comments:

  1. As a Christian historian, I will confess I am a bit puzzled as to why you are so opposed to our nation's founding principles and faith heritage.

    Church state separation is central to America's founding principles and faith heritage. In 1644, Baptist Roger Williams (persecuted by "Christian" colonial theocrats, who considered Baptists heretical) called for a "wall of separation" between church and state. Baptists' "wall of separation" would prevent government from interfering with the free exercise of religion, and prevent government from incorporating religion into governance.

    Generations of Baptists were persecuted, and shed blood, in the fight (against colonial theocracies) to separate church and state. Their triumph finally came in the enactment of the First Amendment to the U. S. Constitution, establishing the Baptist vision of a "wall of separation" between church and state.

    Deniers of church state separation often respond that the phrase "wall of separation" is not in the U. S. Constitution. Well, neither is the word "Trinity" in the Bible, but most deniers of church state separation probably believe in the Trinity.

    More importantly, Christians of the late 18th and early 19th centuries clearly understood that the First Amendment wording - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" - separated church from state. Their testimony bears much more weight than the fabricated history loved by many modern conservative Christians and politicians.

    Make no mistake: denying church state separation mocks our nation's founding principles and faith heritage. Church state separation was good for America in 1791, and it is good for America now. To see the problems of merging church and state, look to the Middle East, where conservative religious law (Sharia Law, based on the biblical Old Testament) rules.

    Church state separation is a liberal, and American, moral value of which we all can be proud.

    Bruce Gourley
    Director
    Baptist History & Heritage Society
    www.baptisthistory.org
    www.wallofseparation.us

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  2. Mr. Gourley:
    First off, I welcome you to this blog, and this conversation. I don't know if you completely understand where I am coming from on this, but I will try to explain. I am stating that our nation was founded under God, and that the founding fathers wanted to make sure that our nation had a solid Christian foundation. The "Separation of Church and State" that you are referring to, is NOT what I am talking about, nor is it what is occurring today. I am in no way talking about "government controlled religion", such as Sharia Law in the Middle East, but am referring to the ongoing and current attempt to COMPLETELY block God out of government and our lives. This is what the article was talking about, and what I am trying to get across. I believe that what was meant for good, was turned into evil, by atheists, the ACLU, People for the American Way, and many other secular progressives, to completely do away with God. It even goes further, when people who are saved and love the Lord, are persecuted for taking a stand and practicing what they believe, thus criminalizing Christianity.
    This is what I am referring to, as well as many other Bible believing born again Christians such as myself.

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